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Gorath · Jan 28, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Hello,

I was scanning the forums and couldn't find any Mo/P Command builds. Are there any good ones out there, or is the Paragon secondary just not worth it for PvE?

Thx in advance

Mitchel · Jan 28, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Paragon secondary for monk isn't that good, go /E and take Glyph of Lesser Energy.

Stormlord Alex · Jan 28, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Gorath

Are there any good ones out there,

No.

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or is the Paragon secondary just not worth it for PvE?

Pretty much, yes.

The defensive/restorative shouts our overshadowed by skills already available to the monk, and the offensive buffs are better used on other classes.

And Spear Mastery is just bad, though probably better for direct damage than Smiting

Kwan Xi · Jan 28, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

If you really want to make one there's nothing stopping you from trying, but to tell you the truth I don't really use many of the command skills in PvE even as a paragon. The only skills my paragon frequently uses in PvE are [skill]"go for the eyes!"[/skill] [skill]"stand your ground!"[/skill] and now [skill]"we shall return!"[/skill] due to the recent buff.

Most of the other skills are situational and people in PuGs generally want a monk to stick to healing and protect and let the Paragon handle the shouts and chants. Monk healing/protect skills are generally more suited to a monk and recharge quicker too. Many Paragon shouts require adrenaline or energy and don't really recharge quick enough to sustain the party alone.

Off the top of my head I think a monk might find [skill]Remedy Signet[/skill] useful as a self condition removal against dazed.

Like I said earlier if you really want to make a Mo/P go ahead an try there's nothing stopping you from trying to building one yourself.

Edit: actually I don't even use "Stand your Ground!" much anymore in PvE I now use "There's Nothing to Fear!" instead.

System_Crush · Jan 28, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

You just need 1 skill, [skill=text]Leader's Zeal[/skill] the rest of paragon is pretty much useless for a PvE monk.
[skill=text]Lyric of Zeal[/skill] and [skill=text]Hexbreaker Aria[/skill] might look good, but there are better things a monk should be doing other than gathering adrenaline.

NamelessBeauty · Jan 28, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

LMAO.
Take "Song of Power" in PvE lol. I really don't know. Or maybe "Incoming." Though those combos are quite pretty bad since those are elites lol.

JDRyder · Feb 01, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Hard build to use for starters but works really well if used right

Divine 12+1
Prot 12+1+1

[skill]signet of devotion[/skill][skill]reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]spirit bond[/skill][skill]scribe's insight[/skill][skill]divine boon[/skill][skill]remedy signet[/skill][skill]dismiss condition[/skill][skill]holy veil[/skill]

Div · Feb 01, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi

If you really want to make one there's nothing stopping you from trying, but to tell you the truth I don't really use many of the command skills in PvE even as a paragon. The only skills my paragon frequently uses in PvE are [skill]"go for the eyes!"[/skill] [skill]"stand your ground!"[/skill] and now [skill]"we shall return!"[/skill] due to the recent buff.

Is this a joke? Why would a monk waste spec off their primary attributes to power something like GFtE for other people to deal more damage. And even at a good spec, why would you run stand your ground? It's 15 energy for extra armor for non-moving allies. If you're standing in AoE, you'd be moving to get out. If you're getting hit by a monster, you'd do more damage mitigation by kiting instead of standing there with +armor. The only one it'd help are the main aggro holders of the group, so basically you're spending 15 energy and a lot of spec points for that. And using we shall return for a rez? Even if your monk takes a rez, it'd be something that you wouldn't want to use in battle, so what's the point of having that skill on a monk? That's hilarious.

Cherng Butter · Feb 01, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Is this a joke? Why would a monk waste spec off their primary attributes to power something like GFtE for other people to deal more damage. And even at a good spec, why would you run stand your ground? It's 15 energy for extra armor for non-moving allies. If you're standing in AoE, you'd be moving to get out. If you're getting hit by a monster, you'd do more damage mitigation by kiting instead of standing there with +armor. The only one it'd help are the main aggro holders of the group, so basically you're spending 15 energy and a lot of spec points for that. And using we shall return for a rez? Even if your monk takes a rez, it'd be something that you wouldn't want to use in battle, so what's the point of having that skill on a monk? That's hilarious.

I got the impression Kwan was talking about the Command skills he/she uses on her Paragon, not Monk?

Div · Feb 01, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Cherng Butter

I got the impression Kwan was talking about the Command skills he/she uses on her Paragon, not Monk?

And was trying to imply that those are the only skills worth considering putting on the Mo/P. And I'm just pointing out it's completely retarded to even mention those skills for a primary monk.

missyrooloo · Feb 01, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Is this a joke? Why would a monk waste spec off their primary attributes to power something like GFtE for other people to deal more damage. And even at a good spec, why would you run stand your ground? It's 15 energy for extra armor for non-moving allies. If you're standing in AoE, you'd be moving to get out. If you're getting hit by a monster, you'd do more damage mitigation by kiting instead of standing there with +armor. The only one it'd help are the main aggro holders of the group, so basically you're spending 15 energy and a lot of spec points for that. And using we shall return for a rez? Even if your monk takes a rez, it'd be something that you wouldn't want to use in battle, so what's the point of having that skill on a monk? That's hilarious.

...lmao, is GW the Only thing in life that makes you feel good about urself? How incredibly sad.....you never have anything good to say, all you do is try to be a smart lil thing. lmao...wouldnt listen to this joke

Div · Feb 01, 2008, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by missyrooloo

...lmao, is GW the Only thing in life that makes you feel good about urself? How incredibly sad.....you never have anything good to say, all you do is try to be a smart lil thing. lmao...wouldnt listen to this joke

Read here before coming back again: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nes-id2030.php

Reported. Have a nice day

JDRyder · Feb 01, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by missyrooloo

...lmao, is GW the Only thing in life that makes you feel good about urself? How incredibly sad.....you never have anything good to say, all you do is try to be a smart lil thing. lmao...wouldnt listen to this joke

dude stfu hes done tons of things to help make pve dumb ass mending monk become good

mrmango · Feb 01, 2008, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Don't harass the holy one.
I concur, /p is mostly useless, especially for a monk

Kwan Xi · Feb 01, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Is this a joke? Why would a monk waste spec off their primary attributes to power something like GFtE for other people to deal more damage. And even at a good spec, why would you run stand your ground? It's 15 energy for extra armor for non-moving allies. If you're standing in AoE, you'd be moving to get out. If you're getting hit by a monster, you'd do more damage mitigation by kiting instead of standing there with +armor. The only one it'd help are the main aggro holders of the group, so basically you're spending 15 energy and a lot of spec points for that. And using we shall return for a rez? Even if your monk takes a rez, it'd be something that you wouldn't want to use in battle, so what's the point of having that skill on a monk? That's hilarious.

..... Read the Post more Carefully Please..

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Originally Posted by Cherng Butter

I got the impression Kwan was talking about the Command skills he/she uses on her Paragon, not Monk?

Thank You!

Oh BTW Holymasamune, the Title of the Thread is "Looking for a Mo/P Command Build." Whether or not there is a viable PvE Mo/P build that utilizes Command Skills is another question. Personally I don't think there are many command skills work with a Monk, but rather then be a JERK and chew the guy out, I at least encourage him to try to find a build himself if he wants to use Mo/P Command Skills so much.

Div · Feb 01, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi

Oh BTW Holymasamune, the Title of the Thread is "Looking for a Mo/P Command Build." Whether or not there is a viable PvE Mo/P build that utilizes Command Skills is another question. Personally I don't think there are many command skills work with a Monk, but rather then be a JERK and chew the guy out, I at least encourage him to try to find a build himself if he wants to use Mo/P Command Skills so much.

Oh yeah, I'm not used to running bad builds, sorry. I guess I can't sympathize.

Just about the only paragon skills worth using on monk is remedy sig and signet of synergy.

Racthoh · Feb 01, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36

All the good paragon skills are in Leadership and Spear. Command is pretty bad, and you can outheal anything Motivation does.

JDRyder · Feb 01, 2008, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi

..... Read the Post more Carefully Please..

Thank You!

Oh BTW Holymasamune, the Title of the Thread is "Looking for a Mo/P Command Build." Whether or not there is a viable PvE Mo/P build that utilizes Command Skills is another question. Personally I don't think there are many command skills work with a Monk, but rather then be a JERK and chew the guy out, I at least encourage him to try to find a build himself if he wants to use Mo/P Command Skills so much.

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Originally Posted by Gorath

Hello,

I was scanning the forums and couldn't find any Mo/P Command builds. Are there any good ones out there, or is the Paragon secondary just not worth it for PvE?

Thx in advance

i do think he was asking if there are are and GOOD builds out there for it. IMO like divine there is none, its dumb

Pyro maniac · Feb 01, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

[skill]"Brace Yourself!"[/skill] used to be viable, however aura of stability is better.
That's pretty much the only skill worth mentioning. Just like with the ranger skills, the skills are overpriced just to balance the insane energy management from the primary.

distilledwill · Feb 01, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Although its a little bit silly, and you probably could do a lot better, the two skills I can see being a bit of use to a monk are:

[card]"It's Just A Flesh Wound."[/card] and [card]Cautery Signet[/card] combined with monk condition removal. But theres a lot of better monk elites to use.